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Level Check Mode
under review
Caleb Andersen
Master thread for "need a better way to onboard those of us who know some Japanese" and quiz / testing related feature requests.
Internally our discussions around this area have evolved into a feature we're calling "Level Check Mode".
It would cover placement, as well as any testing related to a given milestone etc should we implement such a feature.
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Jonnathan
I came to leave the same comment. As an experienced learner trying a new method, the most discouraging thing is knowing that it could be months until you learn something new going at a beginner’s pace.
Zander
Really excited to move away from the HJS N2 material to this amazing system. Keep up the good work as this will be a game changer!
Jimmy Blakemore
I agree! A way to test for sections as a placement would be great! I think if there is a way to test out of certain section this would help those who already have a bit of knowledge of Japanese. The part that seems to be the most boring is having to go through all of the kana again. Also, adding a "end of chapter" style test to ensure knowledge retention is a good idea. Maybe with optional spaced repetition for these tests that can be toggled on or off. No one wants to go through the sections to only forget everything they studied.
Caleb Andersen
under review
We've begun identifying the initial steps to how we want to implement this so moving to "under review". Thanks everyone for the feedback so far on this topic.
Scott Girard
I really like @DailyJapan#9622 level check instead of the honor system idea. Along with Lunas idea for A Quiz At The End of A Milestone to Test Comprehension of Grammar. I think if both ideas were merged this help solidify the learning experience, and create a greater sense of accomplishment. This would address my main concern with seeing everyone flying through each level very fast and probably not having the validation that the knowledge is being retained, and fully comprehended. This will also help NativShark to see were people are struggling or easily passing a certain amount of units and the phase itself. Which could help with making improvements.
Todd Goldman
Thought this would be good addition here - just finished Phase One & thought it would also be good idea to have level check before heading to Phase Two. And/ or a check before even progressing to each individual Unit besides just honor system of marking flashcards.
Todd Goldman
Maybe NS should create a JLPT-like test for P1,2,3,4 & 4+? This will also go well towards your eventual replacement of the JLPT as the 金 standard for testing!
Caleb Andersen
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A Quiz At The End of A Milestone to Test Comprehension of Grammar
Luna
There seems to be a lack of interactive elements in the core progression system. The Kana tester is nice, but I already know my Kana, and I'm sure the Kanji tester will be worth a shot when it's released. However, I want to be able to test my knowledge of grammar points taught in lessons, too.
You probably wouldn't have to get above 50% to continue onto the next milestone set of units; it'd just be a test of your comprehension, at least to start with.
And at the very end of a Phase, you could have a longer test and set a time limit. If you wanted to get real fancy, you could link the questions to a particular unit, and if a student gets that question wrong, in the end when giving the results, you can recommend they revise (these units) for a better understanding of the grammar, and then retake the test.
Some ideas:
- What particle should go here? (multiple choice)
- Which of these is a real example of casual Japanese? (multiple choice)
- Which of these sentences is grammatically incorrect? And a set of 4 unrelated sentences (e.g. 寒かったでしたか？ would be incorrect)
- Comprehension Test: Which of these sentences explains why Yuzuru can't come to school today? A: ゆずるは日本人です。 B: ゆずる風をひいたの。 C: ハーバード大学 は頭がいい生徒で有名だ。
- Form a sentence in casual Japanese that means roughly this [English sentence] with these elements (duolingo style)
- A short-medium length text in Japanese with 5-10 multiple choice questions afterward testing comprehension. This test could also be timed. (this is what I would most like to see)
So, Phase 1 would end up with 10 Quizzes, or roughly one every 16 units. On the 4 year path, you'd be hitting that once every two weeks, and on the 2 year path, once every week. That seems like a good amount of comprehension testing without overwhelming students.
If I didn't know any better, I would think that something like this was already planned with the way units are divided up like this.
Caleb Andersen
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Need a better way to onboard those of us who know some Japanese
Caleb Andersen
This can use improvement but it's a bit more challenging that in may seem on the surface to get right and up to par with our quality standards, I certainly am very interested in finding a solution though.
I believe we can do it.
Post your thoughts and ideas below!
Niko Walker
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Placement test?
Savy Rivka Powell
Is there a placement test to determine the appropriate level to begin in the program? I have studied Japanese on and off for a number of years and am not sure where exactly to begin. I know hiragana, katakana and some kanji along with some basic vocab.
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